Another oldskul Evo fan

[jlptheman]

Hi all,

Had a look through this site and have to say I'm very impressed. The work you guys are doing is amazing. You people will keep the early evos alive for a long time.

I drive an Evo 7 343bhp on Apexi PFC. I started my evo career with an Evo 2 RS, then I bought a 1 rs and then another 1 gsr. I still have this evo 1 GSR and use it for track day use only. Have only done one so far with another one in 3 weeks time so I'm fairly new to it.

I have a reasonable understanding of tuning, I'm a programmer by trade and a mechanic at the weekends, I've been dabbling around on the Apexi in my 7, pulling back timing here and there to reduce knock etc so I am familiar with that at least.

I want to learn to map my std evo 1 ecu which is why I am here!!

Can anyone tell me how much money it will take to get up and running. I mean the cost of the Ostrich chip, cable, wideband plus anything else I will need and where you would this gear and any other information you can recommend.

Thanks in advance,
John

[wip]

There are some good deals to be had here:

http://www.moates.net/

Also, try the MLR for some group buys if you're a member ;)

[JimEvo2]

AndyF:> is the man for early evos, I'm sure you'll pick up a good understanding from him on this forum.

I myself have an evo 2 and after changing the injectors, fitting a walbro etc all the basic first mods then I bought a programmable ecu from Pete who had Autofixed at the time.

If you take a look at the 4g63.co.uk forum then the posts between Pete:>, Andy:> and Thomas:> give a great understanding of how the early evo tuning has evolved over the last 12 months.


A few words of caution though, before you spend any money make sure you can get a datalogging program to work. The biggest problem seems to be with the laptop recognising the cable connected to the logging port. I have tried three different cables to date with limited success.

Evoscan looks a great program on paper if you can get it to work with a PC. Tunerpro (or Tunerpro RT) also has a very good logging tool built in.
TMOlogger (Technomotive datalogger) is another popular program to use for logging.

The emulator chip is a great purchase and well worth the money and if you can develop an understanding of Pete and Andy's code then you'll have great fun tuning your Evo.

I just need to sort out the datalogging issues on mine then I can hopefully join in too. I've had the car running rough when running the laptop from an invertor, I've connected the ostrich to the PC but can't log ? And I also appear to have a problem with connected the laptop to the OBD1 port - as it was recognised but then I struggled to find any drivers for it.

Hope this advice helps and if anyone can give me any pointers on datalogging an Evo 2 then thanks in advance. :confused1:

I presume a palm pilot or similar would be the easiest option ? :smile:

[AndyF]

Hi John,
The Ostrich is around £120-130 at the moment with the way the exchange rate is at present. Mine was £85 when I bought it last year :smile:

For wideband gear try Pm-ing Grant620 on either here or the MLR as he does some really good deals on the Innovate stuff which is what I use.

You will also need a datalogger and I use the pocketlogger from www.pocketlogger.com You will need the cable for the 1G DSM version and you will also need a pocket PC thing. I use a Palm M100 that I picked up off ebay for £10.

The link to the TunerproRT software is in the downloads section of this forum and it's free.

Once you've got all that then there are a few very basic guides in the 'How to' section of the forum for installation and basic use of the program to help you out but failing that, we're always here for any more questions :lol:

Andy

[jlptheman]

Hey all,

Thanks for the info.

JimEvo2 - Yes I downloaded tunerpro from the link on this forum and had a play about with one of the roms I found on here too. Advise noted, no messin around until I get some sort of logging set up!

AndyF - I'll be datalogging using a laptop. will I need a wideband sensor that will plug into the laptop for logging purposes, is this possible? Where can I get the 1G DSM cable and what is the proper name for it.

Appreciate the help guys, it'll be a while before I get all the bits and pieces to get up and running but really looking forward to it.

Thanks a mill,
John

[AndyF]

John,
To be honest, I've never been able to find a cable/software that will allow you to datalog an early Evo using a laptop and I've tried quite a lot of combinations and that's why I use the little Palm pocket PC thing (that's a technical term btw :D )

This is the cable you need (http://www.pocketlogger.com/index.php?pid=pldsm)

The wideband I use is the Innovate LC-1 and you have the option of logging it via the laptop or connecting it up to a dash mounted gauge (which is what I do) and watching it as you're mapping etc.

Then it is really just a case of playing with the tuning using tunerpro.

I'll shortly be releasing a few more mods for the early ECU's including my map switching function and also the ability to rescale all of the maps into whatever you want etc. so keep your eyes on the forum ;) ;)

Andy

[jlptheman]

Thats deadly AndyF, Thanks v much. I'll be keeping a close eye on this!

[evonut270]

dont forget that the early evos can have the later 5 6 7+8 ecus fitted as well with a few wiring changes.i currently have an 8 260 ecu fitted to mine.:smile:

[jlptheman]

dont forget that the early evos can have the later 5 6 7+8 ecus fitted as well with a few wiring changes.i currently have an 8 260 ecu fitted to mine.:smile:

Hey Evonut, yeah I've heard that... just trying to keep the costs down ye know! Thanks for the info though

[evonut270]

Hey Evonut, yeah I've heard that... just trying to keep the costs down ye know! Thanks for the info thoughthere is probably not much in it cost wise between fitting the ostrich and fitting a 5 6 7 or 8 ecu. an ecu can be had for £100.then its wiring changes are fairly straight forward if your competant enough.:smile:

[jlptheman]

there is probably not much in it cost wise between fitting the ostrich and fitting a 5 6 7 or 8 ecu. an ecu can be had for £100.then its wiring changes are fairly straight forward if your competant enough.:smile:

Yeah thats probably true although the price of the 7+ ECUs here in ireland doubled once word spread that they could be used as an upgrade in early evos. Dont you also need an airflow meter and a few other bits and bobs to get it all working? I dont know much about it personally, only from what I've heard.

An ostrich chip just came up for sale today on an irish forum so I might go ahead and buy that.

Can anyone shed any light, perhaps a few pros and cons:
ostrich'd evo 1 vs Evo 5+ ecu

Aside from the fact that the 7 ecu has more memory for storing extra maps and features. But 7 ecus are making crazy money in Ireland at the moment

[evonut270]

no you can retain the standard maf you just need to rescale the maf size and scaling.injectors also need rescaled but this is an easy enough fix.only 1 other thing is needed and that is an obd2 socket which you can get from most breakers yards.

pros for the ostrich--------AndyF
andy has done and still is doing an amazing job with this unit and he is finding out new tricks all the time.there are more people getting involved with it but not on the scale andy is.

pros for the 7+8 ecu
there is so much work being carried out on these ecus its scary especially in the US.there are new posts daily on new features/findings from users not so much in the early cars as there still quite rare.

[jlptheman]

no you can retain the standard maf you just need to rescale the maf size and scaling.injectors also need rescaled but this is an easy enough fix.only 1 other thing is needed and that is an obd2 socket which you can get from most breakers yards.

pros for the ostrich--------AndyF
andy has done and still is doing an amazing job with this unit and he is finding out new tricks all the time.there are more people getting involved with it but not on the scale andy is.

pros for the 7+8 ecu
there is so much work being carried out on these ecus its scary especially in the US.there are new posts daily on new features/findings from users not so much in the early cars as there still quite rare.

Hey thanks for the info, I will definitely take this into consideration. I'll have a look for a cheap 7+ ecu and do a price comparison after that.

[AndyF]

Aside from the fact that the 7 ecu has more memory for storing extra maps and features.Not quite true. Yes, the chip is of a bigger memory size but you can store a 512k chip on the Ostrich without any problems and to be honest, there is that much spare space in the std ECU that you won't need to expand the size.

[soldave]

By the power of...

Ahhh... you said oldskul :(

[jlptheman]

ahaaa.. I wondered when someone would comment on that!

Dont worry I'm not a wanna be rapper or pop idol with the waist of my pants hangin round my knees!

[jlptheman]

oh btw, I bought a Ostrich chip so that is the road I'm taking.

Looking for a wideband and the other bits and bobs now. No rush though, gonna gather the bits slowly, will give me time to learn a bit more about this stuff.

If anyone has any of the following for sale please let me know:
PocketLogger
Wideband
Palm PC

Thanks!

[AndyF]

John,
For a wideband, PM Grant620 on either here or the MLR as he does some cracking deals on the Innovate LC-1 stuff that I use.

Also, try Ben on evo321.com for the pocketlogger and palm etc. as I know he is selling his car at the moment and is including the logger etc. in with the sale.

Alternatively, do a search on ebay for a Palm M100. This is the very early basic version and I picked mine up for £10 a while ago.

Also make sure you download the tunerpro rt program and if you PM me your email address then I'll send you over some maps and definition files etc. to help get you started.

Cheers

Andy

[jlptheman]

Thanks Andy, I really appreciate your help.:thumbup1:

PM on its way:smile:

[soldave]

I can recommend the AEM Uego wideband - nice price and works very well. And would definitely get yourself a Pocketlogger to keep an eye on things while you tune.

[majin]

Gravedigging...have anyone tried a Palm Emulator for the PC with the PocketLogger?

[soldave]

Plenty of the DSM guys have tried it and I don't think any have succeeded.

[AndyF]

I think the problem is more to do with getting the cable to 'talk' to the PC rather than any problems with the software etc.

Andy

[majin]

Like having the correct circuit for the Palm OS to recongize. The software works, it just need to be able to get information via cable.